Tuesday, 20 February 2007

  • My not-so-satanic Asian face

    This past weekend, I was the keynote speaker at a large conference held in Chinatown.  I said a few things which apparantly offended some people, but I honestly don't see what the fuss is all about.  Am I missing something here?

    I was preaching on world evangelism.  This being Chinatown, there were thousands of Asian Americans in attendance; but what caught me by surprise was the large number of African Americans at the conference.  I interupted my own sermon to speak to this.  In essence, I said that I was amazed by how many Africans (or did I say African-Amercian? same difference, right?) were at the conference (this was Chinatown, after all). 

    minstrel

    Then I remarked that the black face was so different from mine.  And that because the black face was "less hated around the world," now was the God-ordained time for Africans (or did I say African-Americans?) to go back out into the world.  I told them that while Asians have a tough time getting into certain countries, the black face, being less satanic and more angelic, would get them admittance.

    Afterward, a few people confronted me about my statements.  They accused me - me! - of being a racist.  In short, they argued that:

    • to clump African-Americans with Africans betrayed ignorance;
    • to clump people together into roughshod categories based on the color of their skin was the beginnings of racism;
    • to claim that the black man or woman was not the target of racism but, rather, was "hated less around the world" was plain stupidity; and inter alia
    • my insinuation about the black face was offensive and reeked of racist stereotyping.

    Personally, I don't see how they could accuse me of being racist.  After all, I have an adopted Latino boy.


    Did this really happen? 

    No and (sadly) yes

    No: I made up the above account. 

    But yes: at the recent Resolved Conference, John Piper made similar remarks, not about African Americans, but Asian Americans.  While I was not there, reports are recounting what he said.

     

    According to people who were there, Piper stated (inter alia):

    After all, the Asian face is hated less around the world. God in His unusual providence in the Muslim world, for example, has arranged that the Western face is satanic while the Asian face is not yet as satanic.

    Thus, in John Piper's eyes, I am no longer the satanic Fu Manchu ("he had menace in every twitch of his finger, a threat in every twitch of his eyebrow, terror in each split-second of his slanted eyes"). 


    fu

    Instead, I am the passive, good-boy Charlie Chan, a refined, intellectual of Christian wisdom, on the side of law and virtue, beloved by the whole world, an amorphous mass of goodwill with a beautific face.

     

     

    Me so loved by world.  Yay.

Comments (15)

  • its_meeh_shenz

    I am in no way, shape or form an expert about race and racial issues (but i love talking about it =D), but here's one "mistake" (in my humble opinion) that you made:

    You said "African-American." That in itself is "offensive" to some. Why? Because most (if not all) Blacks in this generation do not/can not trace back to their African roots. That doesn't mean that they're not of African descent. Some even despise their own last names mainly because the name itself is a "slave name." Though Black sounds "more ignorant" and non-PC, it is preferred (not by all, of course).

    "to clump people together into roughshod categories based on the color of their skin was the beginnings of racism" -- there is some truth to that (and I have no idea why the font suddenly became bolder...hahahaha) See definition of racism and think about what you said.

    "to claim that the black man or woman was not the target of racism but, rather, was "less hated around the world" was plain stupidity" -- YUP! Just because you don't see it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. (wow that was an awkward sentence) Think about the number of Blacks in any university, yes even christian universities. That's just one example. Think about the number of Blacks in higher positions in the job market. Watch/look for BLACK:WHITE, an interesting series that didn't last long.

    "my insinuation about the black face was offensive and reeked of racist stereotyping." -- any perpetuation of stereotype (or implements thereof) is offensive (yes, even the Asian American being a smarter "race")

    Lastly, "Personally, I don't see how they could accuse me of being racist.  After all, I have an adopted Latino boy." -- just because you have an adopted Latino son doesn't make not-racist. (WOW, this comment is full of awkward sentences and double negatives, you can tell I don't write much). That's like me saying "my best friend is Mexican" and exclaiming racial slurs when she's not around.

    Again, these are all personal opinions. Things that I've learned in my journey about racial reconciliation and racial justice. Along with Latino, Asian, and Black brothers and sisters. =)

  • chuckdis
    yo man i don't see how your remarks are edifying to the church. do you honestly think this is speaking the truth in love [or is that even a concern]?
  • kevina
    Hi brother, glad you're concerned with bringing clarity to these types of issues. Perhaps your confession that you didn't attend the conference is what will deliver you from remarks like the one before mine.

    Given that I offer full forebearance and the benefit of the doubt, I'll say this:

    I think your assessment of Piper's statements, and what he implies, will change once you listen to the free downloadable recording of the sermon. His juxtaposition of various ethnic faces goes only as far as the strength of their correlation to Christianity in the minds of Muslims.
  • AJTO

    hey man... caught your comment on dave's xanga... just wanna inform about the context to this piper statement. trust me... just listen to the mp3 when its available. there was nothing insulting about his comment nor was there intention to do so. in fact, for most of us who heard it, it was MAD convicting. Piper was making reference to what he foresees as a possible asian missions movement to Asia. From his observation to the number of asians in attendance, he caught a glimpse of God sovereignly doing a work within the Asian American Christian community in fulfilling this task.     

    his comment about the "satanic face" was actually in reference to how muslims in muslim populated countries perceive foreigners, particularly whites for a number of reasons... hence, piper's reference to his face as satanic. he's implying that theres a stigma thats unfortunately attached to americans... a stigma that isnt as prevalent among Asians. As such, theres a great opportunity that is open for asian believers to go overseas to nations that would generally be closed to Americans.

    challies left a lot out on his blog, which dave quoted, so i understand that it mite appear to be taken as offensive, but i cant imagine that it would be if ud hear it within its context. praying u can extend some grace in this matter brother. blessings.   

  • jammasterjake
    yeah, i can't help but think you're taking piper's comments out of context. i'd encourage you to listen first and find out the entire context before you judge.
  • peterdarock
    thanks for your contribution and some provocative thoughts on this. This issue of race is both troubling, complex and also opportunities of great redemption. yet, we must confront some of the realities of how race plays out in missions...when i served with navajos, they loved asians and didn't have the typical stigma as "WHITE missionaries." but saw us and our physical appearance that was similar to theirs. It was an open door and I think we didn't have the same paternal disposition they have experienced. Thank you for starting this conversation and helping us wrestle through this.
  • miheekk
    i may throw all my piper books away.
  • j_andres2

    I could see how the comments of John Piper sound ridiculous and borderline racist. It sounds like the voice of a bygone era of western Christian influence due to its departure from its Christian albeit tattered testimony attempting to give its last great speech "old Western Christians never die, they just fade away..."  Pathetic at best.

    However, the upside to this challenge is that it is true. Christians of Asian origin, like the economies of those governments, are growing in influence and power. I have learned, read, and studied this truth in Seminary. For the first time in Christianity's 2,000 year old history, a non-Western culture leads in the missionary efforts around the world, Korea.  The US and Britain have been bumped down to second and third place. This is a historical paradigm shift of a magnitude that cannot be overstated!  This is truly a mark of the dedication and peserverance of Asian Christians seeking God and these efforts have become a fact through statistics that cannot be disputed.

    Asian Christian leaders should learn not to repeat the mistakes of the North America's & Christian Europes past (Spain, Britain, Portugal, Germany, etc) and evangelize a new generation, a new era, a new world to Christ.

  • hantla
    I was at the Resolved conference. The statement was not one of racism but one of racial love. A desire for people of all races to get the gospel motivated statements. Recognizes that races are viewed differently around the world is not racism. There is a reality to the statements...a love that makes Piper often say what nobody else would dare say to get us out of our comfortable lives and live like we believe what we say we believe. I praise God for Piper.
  • hantla
    Please listen to the whole message in it's context. You can download it at Resolved.org
  • drewsmusic
    As the future father of Asian-Americans, I'm still looking forward to your comments after hearing the quote in context. In the sermon, it did not strike me as offensive to me, but I would love to know your opinion of Piper's comments after placing the lines you quoted in their original setting. (I'm new to your blog, so I am not sure if it is your practice to revisit your comments or just to let them hang out there.) Thanks!
  • thecuttingtruth

    Drewsmusic,

    I have listened to the sermon, and thus was able to listen to Piper's comments in its proper context.  While admitting that isolated printed quotes almost always seem more egregious than when listened to in context, my position does not substantially change.  The fact that Piper stereotyped Asian-Americans in a complimentary light (that came with the trumpet blast of a spiritual challenge!) does not take away from the fact that he made a generalization based on race.  That is the beginning of racism.  The first baby steps of rancid stereotypes often come with the conception of complimentary generalizations based on race. 

    And think of the corollary.  In saying that the Asian face was so perfect for missions, he was also saying, by implication, that the latino or black face was not so suited to missions.  What is a latino- or black- American supposed to do with that?

    Another problem I had with his message was that when he initially started talking about Asian-Americans as missionaries, he only mentioned Asian countries as the mission fields they should go to.  (Only after he talked about the demon-face, did he mention the Middle East).  Clearly, it seems to Piper that Asian-Americans should only go to Asia for missions.  While Asian Americans may have significant linguistic and cultural advantages in being sent as missionaries to Asia, this portion of Piper's exhortation came across as a "Go back to your own country!" kind of call.

  • drewsmusic
    Whew. I appreciate your diligence, but I still didn't hear Piper the way you did. I'm sure a lot of that is your ears being more sensitive for undertones. I would wonder if you think that notion is intentional or implied. At the same time, it challenges me to hear things differently. You seem to imply an air of racism that Piper has preached against from his pulpit for years. Perhaps it is an issue of sensitivity in communication rather than an actual heart issue.

    However, I would not think stating that "folks of Asian decent have a possible advantage in Asian mission work" as racist or repellent any more than thinking a Latino missionary may find more inroads in Peru. Several mission agencies have noticed such. I've even wondered at my own Chinese daughter's potential to share Christ in China. That does not mean I want to send her away - it means that I desire for souls in China to hear the gospel. I hope that if that call comes to her, I can pledge my family to heaven for the gospel and release her joyfully.

    I'm actually troubled that you may toss such a charge ("go back to your own country, daughter!") to me one day.
  • sc_q_jayce
    Uh, so what if he made a rationalization based on race? It's true.
    John Piper is right, as much as I disagree with him in many areas.
    What he said is exactly true:

    To the Muslim world, an Asian face appears less 'satanic' than a Western one.
    Now, if you want, you can disagree with that and show him where this statement is incorrect,
    but if you're going to call 'racism,' then I think you're just being silly.

    Now how you can apply that to yourself is just being foolish, since A) You don't live there, and B) your analogy fails on every level.
  • anonymous
    I am one for sure that doesn't think the comment is racist at all.
    He was mainly commenting on how he sees being a white guy in a Muslim country can make you stick out as a missionary or as an evil American infidel, even if you are French or something. That is a big hindrance to establishing relationships with Muslims.

    The Korean/Chinese/Japanese Asian face may be gaining ground with the white face as the Korean hostage crisis in Afghanistan seems to suggest, but still, other colors are less offensive/less threatening than the white face in certain Muslim minds...not all Muslims... but certainly the ones that hate America. He was throwing out a mission strategy idea, not a comment on race in general. It was an encouragement for us Asians-Americans to step up, not just Chinese, but Indians, Filipinos, etc. (He didn't say "Look at the Korean church! Why aren't as many Asian Christians in the US involved in missions?" I am sure you'd have a field day with that one)This post is pretty old; I hope you have cooled down by now. We don't need this type of divisiveness and bitterness in the church; we need unity.
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